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Switch
12-31-2009, 09:07 AM
Mass Message:
Hi guys,

I know there's a lot of controversy going on about the removal of the "Shift+H" gani. Over the past few months there has been an increasing use of it as a tool to harass people. It's never been appropriate to have it on the server, and I ask myself why we kept it as long as we did to begin with.

Due to recent events, the cup sort of spilled over (so to say). We decided to remove it to reduce problems of that sort in general. It wasn't based on one person's individual issue, but based on collective issues over a stretched out time span. I didn't see a reason to have it removed when I got into management, but over the past few months it's become very clear.

If you have any questions, concerns, or want to let off some steam about the subject, PM me.

It's a whole lot better than getting the stink eye from the GPs.
~Streety
Personally I don't find this decision a good one.

Mass message:
Anyone continuing the conversation of Peyton -- at any time, not just right now, will be banned.
Fair warning.

Nisube
12-31-2009, 09:10 AM
SO dumb.
Let's just remove everything because one person complains. :rolleyes:

DustyPorViva
12-31-2009, 09:13 AM
You know you used to be able to grab other players way back when? Ya... that was removed(yes, Stefan removed an actual hard-coded function from the game client itself) because people would simulate humping with it :P(back when you could rapidly pull and make a humping-like animation). So this isn't exactly something new.

LordSquirt
12-31-2009, 09:21 AM
Delteria also had this for years, but I could see the downsides to it

Mark Sir Link
12-31-2009, 09:30 AM
You know you used to be able to grab other players way back when? Ya... that was removed(yes, Stefan removed an actual hard-coded function from the game client itself) because people would simulate humping with it :P(back when you could rapidly pull and make a humping-like animation). So this isn't exactly something new.

certain PWA members know all about this AMIRITE

Switch
12-31-2009, 09:34 AM
This just in:

Shift+H was replaced again with "the wave".
Shift+X was replaced with suicide bombing. HMMMMMMMMMMMM...

DustyPorViva
12-31-2009, 09:36 AM
Shift+H was replaced again with "the wave".
Shift+X was replaced with suicide bombing. HMMMMMMMMMMMM...
Is that really surprising? Sex(and the harassment variation) is held way above violence in terms of censoring.

Crono
12-31-2009, 10:39 AM
so stupid.

SwimChao
12-31-2009, 12:06 PM
It's a little silly that this is being made into a big problem. I could understand if it was about how controlling the controversial outburst was executed, but we're talking about the removal of free, insignificant ganis activated by pressing a button. You didn't have to pay for these, and so it's not like you need to be compensated.

The fact is, they shouldn't have been put on the server in such a manner as they were. At first I blamed the management who allowed it to happen, but at this point I blame myself for not paying attention to it, and not removing it off the bat.

I'm sorry, but what is done is done. I really don't want this thread to turn into some mess, so I'm going to be keeping the stink eye on it. Just remember that you're upset over the loss of the ability to wiggle your character's body back and forth. It didn't even portray the action very well. The feature wasn't even on the server for that long. (You still have *rides!)

Crono
12-31-2009, 12:41 PM
remove *hug and *rides plz it offends me

TSAdmin
12-31-2009, 12:50 PM
remove *hug and *rides plz it offends me

While I see where you're coming from with this response, this might be going a little bit overboard on the situation. There are differences, so one can't just go and start saying things such as that. Next thing we'll have is people sarcastically saying "Remove sword-slashing, it offends me" taking away from the specifics of why Shift+H was removed and how those specifics differ to say a hug or ride.

Crono
12-31-2009, 01:01 PM
i do agree that shift+h was testing the line but i cant believe people actually felt offended by it.

While I see where you're coming from with this response, this might be going a little bit overboard on the situation. There are differences, so one can't just go and start saying things such as that. Next thing we'll have is people sarcastically saying "Remove sword-slashing, it offends me" taking away from the specifics of why Shift+H was removed and how those specifics differ to say a hug or ride.

thats kind of my point.

Luda
12-31-2009, 02:50 PM
Honestly, I think it was just used an excuse for someone to get others in trouble and it went too far. I mean c'mon? Era has guns which promotes shooting at eachother. Cool. I'm fine with shift+h being removed but now shift+x (i see this more of a taunt then a type of sexual harassment) is gone?

zephirot
12-31-2009, 04:23 PM
Huh seriously how is it a problem? -_-

12171217
12-31-2009, 04:26 PM
What about the hat/body/head combo that makes you look like a *****?

That offends me.

Even though I'm banned anyway :P

Rufus
12-31-2009, 05:57 PM
So.. why was mooning removed?

Liberated
12-31-2009, 06:27 PM
So.. why was mooning removed?

iunno, chin chan was a childrens show, and all he did was moon, why remove it from a game.

Elizabeth
12-31-2009, 06:52 PM
I think it was a stupid gani, it got really annoying. I won't miss it.


However, the Peyton talk I will miss. It was like, my favourite conversation topic in mass.

Hiro
12-31-2009, 09:11 PM
when you remove one "offensive" gani from the list then it starts to trickle down until they all get removed. you suddenly decide what is right and what is wrong, and it's ridiculous. why don't you ban the people who decide that they are offended by it?

LordSquirt
12-31-2009, 09:44 PM
Not sure since i'm not a scripter, however, is it possible for people who are offended to just click a button to disable the gani?

DarkReaper0
12-31-2009, 10:09 PM
I'm sorry, but what is done is done. I really don't want this thread to turn into some mess, so I'm going to be keeping the stink eye on it. Just remember that you're upset over the loss of the ability to wiggle your character's body back and forth. It didn't even portray the action very well. The feature wasn't even on the server for that long. (You still have *rides!)

Just remember that Management and Certain Players were upset about the abuse of the ability to wiggle your character's body back and forth. Which didn't even portray the action very well.

Stephen
12-31-2009, 10:34 PM
You know you used to be able to grab other players way back when? Ya... that was removed(yes, Stefan removed an actual hard-coded function from the game client itself) because people would simulate humping with it :P(back when you could rapidly pull and make a humping-like animation). So this isn't exactly something new.
I can remember wandering the grottoes of Classic and randomly coming across pairs of players rapidly A+directionaling a few times.


I'm essentially scarred for life.

Switch
01-01-2010, 12:29 AM
It's a little silly that this is being made into a big problem. I could understand if it was about how controlling the controversial outburst was executed, but we're talking about the removal of free, insignificant ganis activated by pressing a button. You didn't have to pay for these, and so it's not like you need to be compensated.
I payed to play Graal and have all of its features.

The fact is, they shouldn't have been put on the server in such a manner as they were. At first I blamed the management who allowed it to happen, but at this point I blame myself for not paying attention to it, and not removing it off the bat.
And Shift+X isn't offensive? My people are jeopardized every day by Shift+X'ers.

I really don't want this thread to turn into some mess, so I'm going to be keeping the stink eye on it.
*stink eye*
Just remember that you're upset over the loss of the ability to wiggle your character's body back and forth. It didn't even portray the action very well.
Riddle me this: If it didn't portray the action very well, why were people "offended" by it and it was removed?

Elizabeth
01-01-2010, 01:06 AM
maybe you should be mad at the people who complained rather than the staff for removing it

Stephen
01-01-2010, 01:10 AM
maybe you should be mad at the people who complained rather than the staff for removing it
Ultimately it was the decision of the staff. If there were enough people complaining to have it removed it's more likely that a verbal minority wish to maintain it.

However, it's all pretty ridiculous - a "disable" button would have been most appropriate.

Crono
01-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Ultimately it was the decision of the staff. If there were enough people complaining to have it removed it's more likely that a verbal minority wish to maintain it.

One or two people probably hardcore complained about it (NO PUN INTENDED ELELEL) until the staff did something. :I

Vima
01-01-2010, 03:24 PM
I can just see how this decision is rather going to piss people off and make them more "Anti ######" :/

Elizabeth
01-01-2010, 08:10 PM
Ultimately it was the decision of the staff. If there were enough people complaining to have it removed it's more likely that a verbal minority wish to maintain it.

However, it's all pretty ridiculous - a "disable" button would have been most appropriate.

i really doubt that there was a lot of people complaining about it; if you played UN you'd see it being used all the time. this whole situation isn't important, and there shouldn't even be a thread about it.

Imperialistic
01-01-2010, 10:18 PM
I think that it's not breaking any rules, amirite?

Shouldn't of been removed mostly because of the fact that it's only offending, if you interpret it that way.. and that just falls back on the own players fault, rite?

Crono
01-01-2010, 10:25 PM
Shouldn't of been removed mostly because of the fact that it's only offending, if you interpret it that way.. and that just falls back on the own players fault, rite?

ur rite, racial slurs are only offending if you interpret it that way.. and that just falls back on the own players fault, rite?

Imperialistic
01-01-2010, 10:35 PM
ur rite, racial slurs are only offending if you interpret it that way.. and that just falls back on the own players fault, rite?

mayo isn't the same color as mustard.

Crono
01-01-2010, 10:37 PM
mayo isn't the same color as mustard.

wat

Imperialistic
01-01-2010, 10:40 PM
you're a bright guy, think about it.

dark_mater_s
01-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Think of it this way, When I added and removed the Gani it was like I added a 1 then removed it. You're back at where you started. Switch if you want the Gani back that's fine, you can gani why don't you make one and replace the gani in your Graal folder? That way when you have the sudden urge to "express" your feelings towards another place via the Gani it will all be on your client and will not be affecting other players.

And towards the exploding Gani and saying it resembles suicide bombers; I am from Middle East, born and raised there and I do not find the exploding offending.

So you guys should really stop talking about it.

Deophite18
01-01-2010, 11:47 PM
Lol...most asinine thing iv seen since Tig removed the fart gani from Era.

Frankie
01-02-2010, 12:17 AM
can someone explain what the gani was?

Deophite18
01-02-2010, 04:43 AM
can someone explain what the gani was?

Ctrl+H was basically like hug except you moved back and forth slightly.

Ctrl+x was your butt and it made you wag it back and forth.

Both acceptable ganis IMO. But not according to these admins who are apparently trying to protect the innocence of the massive amount of 6 year olds playing graal. I suppose these ganis are 2 XTREME. But a server full of guns or a npc that slices someones head off leaving a bloody stump spewing blood is not nearly as bad.

MysticX2X
01-02-2010, 05:26 AM
So much controversy made by one person.

Switch
01-02-2010, 06:02 AM
Think of it this way, When I added and removed the Gani it was like I added a 1 then removed it. You're back at where you started. Switch if you want the Gani back that's fine, you can gani why don't you make one and replace the gani in your Graal folder? That way when you have the sudden urge to "express" your feelings towards another place via the Gani it will all be on your client and will not be affecting other players.
How do they know about my emotions, feelings, tingly-insides, etc? My soldiers can no longer march across enemy territory.

And towards the exploding Gani and saying it resembles suicide bombers; I am from Middle East, born and raised there and I do not find the exploding offending.
My people are offended. Please remove.

Maxo14
01-10-2010, 10:31 PM
SO dumb.
Let's just remove everything because one person complains. :rolleyes:

What the azn said :]

DarkReaper0
01-10-2010, 10:36 PM
Animations such as the one used via the *grab command make your character stick his hind-quarters in whatever direction he wishes, commonly followed up by some sexual request by the user, this makes me feel very uncomfortable and I request it be removed immediatley. I can't believe you would allow such a foul action to remain on your game.

Fulg0reSama
01-10-2010, 11:09 PM
I would also like to put my unnecessary commentary into this by saying.

I've seen people run up to each others "posteriors" and they pushed and pushed and pushed and was truly offended. I HAD A SMALL CHILD WATCHING ME PLAY!

Truly offended and EXPECT Immediate attention to my false complaint and immediate action be taken.

What my point is. There are many ways of showing said offensive content whilst i'd like to say that the gamer community of UN is somewhat mature enough to handle seeing that. I obviously dont give a crap bout whether it comes back or not. Just thought id throw my two cents into this

Soala
01-11-2010, 01:38 AM
I keep doing my shift+H sport irl everyday so I don't forget about it. http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46465&d=1226510117

Imperialistic
01-11-2010, 01:44 AM
I keep doing my shift+H sport irl everyday so I don't forget about it. http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46465&d=1226510117

umm?

http://webhollis.com/albums/Funny-Forum/Want_A_Cookie.jpg

benpoke103
01-11-2010, 08:17 AM
Glad to see steps are being taken to, well, somewhat increasing the maturity level of UN.

Kudos to Streety.

CharlieM
01-11-2010, 02:30 PM
So wait..because one person sends nudes to people for items...Then gets harassed for it, they expect staff to remove a widely used gani because they can't learn to play the game the same as others?

Tell the person to grow up, suit up, or get out. To be honest sending nudes to people is probably illegal on graal...

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Yes its called possession of child pornography and its illegal in real life as well.

Hell some guy got arrested for having pictures of himself from when he was 16.

Now that doesnt make sense but it happened

Dnegel
01-11-2010, 04:16 PM
To be honest sending nudes to people is probably illegal on graal...

Mhmmmmm... Hmm...

I dont know...

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 04:37 PM
Mhmmmmm... Hmm...

I dont know...
Trust me its not legal :D

Frankie
01-11-2010, 06:50 PM
nothing beats my era sex ganis ;]

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 06:57 PM
nothing beats my era sex ganis ;]
Proof or never happened

TheJames
01-11-2010, 08:04 PM
What was shift+h..?

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 08:11 PM
on UN it used to be the hump gani

KrimsonSky
01-11-2010, 08:28 PM
I am lol'ing at this because I had no clue what the heck "Shift +H " was on UN, so i logged on to check... and seriously ?....Really?....

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 08:55 PM
It used to be a Hump. Now its Highfive.

My only argueing point I can really think up is that to be honest sometimes in a game like graal you dont want to baby it up when we all know our community age range is pretty average to 16-24 and can handle a "hump". Just for those who are against it but want a reason to *****. Hell i only come on UN to be an ******* on their forums. I don't give a damn otherwise.

KrimsonSky
01-11-2010, 09:07 PM
It used to be a Hump. Now its Highfive.

My only argueing point I can really think up is that to be honest sometimes in a game like graal you dont want to baby it up when we all know our community age range is pretty average to 16-24 and can handle a "hump". Just for those who are against it but want a reason to *****. Hell i only come on UN to be an ******* on their forums. I don't give a damn otherwise.

Hah, Thats what we've all been saying.. Hell.. even a grown adult manages the forums, Isn't that a huge flag saying "Mature audience".
Also, paypal is required to play Graal now adays, so with that - shouldn't whoever has a Bank Account - shouldn't be treated like a child.

& If a child [or ages 16-18] via parental paypal, I'd assume there guardian is well aware what type of game environment there pupal is getting into.

Elizabeth
01-11-2010, 09:23 PM
i like the high5 gani better tbh

Fulg0reSama
01-11-2010, 09:38 PM
Hah, Thats what we've all been saying.. Hell.. even a grown adult manages the forums, Isn't that a huge flag saying "Mature audience".
Also, paypal is required to play Graal now adays, so with that - shouldn't whoever has a Bank Account - shouldn't be treated like a child.

& If a child [or ages 16-18] via parental paypal, I'd assume there guardian is well aware what type of game environment there pupal is getting into.
Yeah... Seems like me and Krimson are the only ones who actually were completely direct on this point.

But i think just have them both around.

Hiro
01-11-2010, 10:29 PM
why didn't UN staff remove peyton's ability to go on UN?

Dnegel
01-11-2010, 10:48 PM
Trust me its not legal :D

Oh ****... I gotta run. >_<

Fulg0reSama
01-12-2010, 12:08 AM
Oh ****... I gotta run. >_<

You better run sir.

Imperialistic
01-12-2010, 12:30 AM
why didn't UN staff remove peyton's ability to go on UN?

They did for a while, but then she is back.. and I don't know how.
Let's just say she is on an account that isn't hers and not most people know that, so she could get in big trouble for that too.

Dizturbed
01-12-2010, 04:25 PM
I'm 12 and what is this

Fulg0reSama
01-12-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm 12 and what is this

Well Dizturbed when a graalian boy and girl love each other on UN... They feel for each other and shift+h to show that love.