The Rabbit Hole Ends Here?

[Projectshifter]

Quoting my good friend Spark: "I believe this is as far as the rabbit hole goes."
I've been with Graal since about 2000. Started out just a player, and then got upset about how UN was back then, and taught myself to script. A few weeks later I got my first job on Rudora (might I add my coding skills were terrible back then). Since that first job things have changed so much. After I basically was a scripter or NPC Admin on nearly every server I got a job on Kingdoms as a scripter by the off-chance Stefan liking my scripting. A few months later the GST (Global Scripting Team) was setup, and I was on the team. I believe April 2002 was when we established the GST. As you're all aware I'm sure, we've changed members a lot, and only Lance and I have since remained, but now I feel my time is drawing to a close.

For nearly the last two years I've tried to do the best I could with what I had, and keep the game in running the best possible condition, and to help scripters who wanted to learn and become better. The only regret I have looking back is that I didn't do more. I hope that for a few people, that I made some small diference, because that to me, means I have not wasted these last few years that have taught me so much.

It's funny, I used to seek attention, but quickly it died out, because I realized that it's not about promoting yourself or making yourself public and out there in the open, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that people learned, and I found the more work I did, the more I was unheard of. Many of you probably haven't seen me if you're not staff on a server. I tried to take a few days out of every month, and talk to players, see what they thought, see what they wanted to happen, but I didn't always get around to it I must admit.

Until a month or two ago I was paying my own subscription to Graal, regardless of the fact that I strictly worked, and did I have honestly not sat and played in nearly 3 years except for the occasional GK episode. My last effort to give something to the game was to ask for my dev world to be brought back up so I could leave a playerworld in the hands of Graal and the players, but thus far Stefan and Unixmad are not keen on allowing me to have my server back without paying the rental fees for a server. This is upsetting, but this is not the reason by any manner that I am quitting.

Many people are aware of the management that goes on in Graal. So long have I sat back and watched, and tried to basically abuse glitches and bugs to fix servers or prevent people who have taken over a server to do more damage. Currently I have a level2 + NC (without folder rights except logs, temp and wordfilter), which does not do a lot as far as being able to help goes. It's always been up to the playerworld owners to give rights they wanted help with, same for all globals except recently with Spark. I can't sit back anymore, it's not fair to me, it's not fair to you guys. For example the account "Enchant Wolf XxX" stole a server and I removed him, and sent an allservers message about removing and banning him, asked Spark to ban him (no disrespect to Spark, he's just one man and is very busy), and then today I found out in the last 24 hours he deleted things on a server and gave rights to someone who took over that server later last night or this morning. I just can't do this anymore...

A lot of people have been curious as to my age, so now is as good a time as ever to explain. March 4th of this year I will be 18. This is the date I have set aside to take my leave if things continue. I intend to leave behind a few last documents for all those who wish to learn, and I offer the advice "never give up". It's not always easy, but you'll be amazed at what you can do if you set your mind to it. For the last several years I've done what I thought was in the best interests of Graal, but I don't think that currently I can do anything else for the players, and for this I am sorry. I only hope that my leaving will leave the game in as good of hands as when I found it. My decision is not final, but unless things change in the next month and a half or so, then I am afraid I will be leaving you all.

I will not begin to mention names of all those who have given me fond memories throughout the years, and I think all of you. Most notably I feel obligated to thank Spark, who was always around when he could be and puts more into this game than I could ever dream. Also to Lance, without his guidance and support I don't know what I would've done. Despite what anyone may say, I will vouch that Lance is a wonderful guy and I trust him above all others, so I urge you all to put your trust in him as I have. Lastly I would like to thank Multiflame aka Anti-Chriz, from unholy nation. He has helped me through many problems I've had over the years and just been there when I needed him, and for that I am eternally grateful, thank you. Most of all, I want to thank the players, for without you, there would be no Graal. Best wishes.
-David

[Inspiration]

Goodbye, thanks for giving everyone your time over the years. I know the feeling of not being able to do everything you can to help, and sitting back wishing you could do more without being able to.

Best of luck in the future

[haunter]

bye man with green name.

[Lance]

If you're sure that's what you want, then an early farewell to you.

[Luciano]

-David
I hope this is not the end, you are a great person and it would be a large loss to the Graal community if you leave. I do understand though, that there comes a time that you must quit playing the games. If you do choose to take your leave, we will miss you greatly.

Regards,
Luciano Santino

[calani]

Truly, if that's what you want, then best of luck to you, and thank-you for all the guidance you've given me in the short while that we've worked together. You'll be missed greatly.


So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[Galdor]

=((((
bye

[OasaTor_PK]

Buh Bye Buddy, Merry christmas, and have a happy new year. We will miss ya. Make me proud (somehow) and live a long and healthy live filled with fruits a vegitables, 8 servings daily!

but byebye :(

[Moonite]

Bye :(

respect for the long text

[HoudiniMan]

I remember the same feeling when i posted "I firmly believe the sooner the better." in regards to removing Zido on N-Pulse...

Less than a week later, well, i felt it could have easily been avoided. I felt a bit helpless.

[Eagle]

Thanks for everything you've done of graal PS. I wish you the best of luck on which ever you deceide to do with your life..

Bye.

That account that PS mention about the PW taking over is our newest member on the forums. :whatever:

[TB3]

Quoting my good friend Spark: "I believe this is as far as the rabbit hole goes."
-David
Yet I barley knew yee! However you've brought alot of understanding and influence to graal. Although the impact may not seem as big as you may have initialy wanted I am sure that the effects are there. Graal does have alot of problems, yet playing the "Perfect Game" would get boring eh? XD
If you do decide to leave I wish you luck in the future you have great problem solving skills I'm sure you will do great especialy in a related field. And if you stay good luck as well , hope all goes well.

ps... Nice speech btw

Farewell?

[Snakeandy7]

Project Shifter :(, I have admired your work through out the process of you being an GST. There is nothing wrong I can say about you. Only thing I have something agains't is you doing someone else's job. Just remember, your a GST not a PWA. Let the PWA do that playerworld crap.

As Lance has said, if this is what you want I can't stop you. But I would like to thank you for everything you have done. Goodbye, friend.

[Projectshifter]

Only thing I have something agains't is you doing someone else's job. Just remember, your a GST not a PWA. Let the PWA do that playerworld crap.

As Lance has said, if this is what you want I can't stop you. But I would like to thank you for everything you have done. Goodbye, friend.
With the PWA thing, we have the same jursidiction, and I have higher rights than the PWA because of my work and such, it's also easier to handle NPC Servers when you can troubleshoot them a bit more (still limited in many respects). The only reason I handle playerworlds is because they come to me, and can I really turn my back on someone asking for my help? It's just not me, which is why I'm tired of looking as things fall apart and not be able to do anything about it...

[Shiftk03-]

Since he's quitting, would it still be breaking the rules if I insulted him? Aw well.. I'll save it. G'day clod.

[Kaimetsu]

Since he's quitting, would it still be breaking the rules if I insulted him?

Well, he's not exactly quitting yet. No doubt he'll be making another of these threads in early March.

[Shiftk03-]

"Dear Graal players,
I Projectshifter, hereby proclaim this a royal parchment. Blah blah blah.." Skip 20 or so paragraphs.. It's all the same really. He could very well just copy and paste it when he feels the need to step up again.

[superb]

lolz u died

[NeoJenova]

Adios! PS!

[WanDaMan]

I'd of thought you'd be here to the bitter end >_<

We have had some fun throughout the past years, keep in touch through AIM :)

Graal is losing another great developer :\

[Okilian]

it'll be sad to see you go.

Adios friend

[teshy2]

I don't know you that well, but I've heard good things about you.
Sorry to see you go, but I think I understand.

Good luck with everything!

[Leasure-13]

Bye PS! Also, like everyone else has said.. thanks for everything. You have helped me, and the PW that I work for.

[Skyld]

Goodbye, Projectshifter. Best of luck to you.

[goalieboy_01]

See ya PS :( I'll miss your visits to Maloria...

[Polo]

The few times we have talked on debug have always been enlightening. You will indeed be missed. :'(

[Sky]

meh.. take it easy PS.. the times we shared were fond memories :)

hope you dont go but if you do.. best of luck... <3

[Crono]

Cya man, nice knowing ya :o

[Shaun]

PS, I didn't know you well or for a long time, but you very selfless and a very hard worker. It's unfortunate that you have been forced into this situation. I only hope that conditions improve and you decide to stay.

[Sildae]

my coding skills were terrible back then
-David

What do you mean by "back then"?

[GoZelda]

Kai must be glad.

G'bye.

[Shiftk03-]

Kai must be glad.

G'bye.

Honestly. I doubt he cares either way. This is just a sample of more to come I think.

[Curt1zzle]

I'll see ya PS - Will miss the late night stop by on servers that I'm on. :(

[zell12]

Bye.

[MysticalMatrix]

Wow PS can't believe your going.. Best of luck <3 and thanks for everything..

[oinknessx]

It's sad PS.... I don't wanna see you go, but there's no stopping it because I'm pretty sure things won't change.. I keep thinking "If only they hired a team who could take care of things like this" but then I remember Oh, there's the supermod team and the mod team, etc.. and they can't do this stuff.

Graal needs to hire a few professionals who can atleast manage accounts and player problems.

I want to learn from you PS.. it's too bad it can't happen on graal... but I'll wait for this document you speak of.

[zokemon]

PS should just work for Graal3D servers :)

[Projectshifter]

PS should just work for Graal3D servers :)
Heh, I considered such things, but I would not want to take a demotion like that. I like being able to help people, and being global for me was my ultimate goal, that way I could the most people and make a difference in the game. Sadly I think I have failed, and there is no where left for me to go. They're not willing to allow others to do more, they're worried about having multiple level4 RCs. I won't go into detail, my intent was not to bash anyone. I appreciate those of you who have contacted me and expressed your support (and those who have offered me jobs when I quit :P), but there are two people who are able to change my mind, and if they do not feel it's a priority, than that is fine and March 4th will be it. Also today I found out districts for debate are on my birthday as well, which is a bit depressing. I have trophied in all the debates I've been to, but debating on my birthday... what fun =/

[zokemon]

Also today I found out districts for debate are on my birthday as well, which is a bit depressing. I have trophied in all the debates I've been to, but debating on my birthday... what fun =/

Ouch.

Well just remeber your name is on the staff list for Mushia ;o

[James205]

PS, I respect your attempts to help my playerworld and you were a valuble staff. We all leave at one point, the rabbit hole will end for a while but eventually it will continue... it just happens.

[Splke]

Later PS, have fun doing whatever.

[SergeTrigger]

I'm sure this brings a great sadness to us all.

I'll miss you man, we've had some good times on graal.

-Outlaw Immortal

[Mitch]

It's been fun projectshifter, I have known you for awhile and we did a lot of things but I understand you have to move on. I might too quit graal, life is catching up with us and we need to focus on the important things at hand.

[syltburk]

long messages is for people who want credit

[Sildae]

long messages is for people who want credit
Short messages are for people who are too relatively-illiterate to comprehend long messages.

[syltburk]

Short messages are for people who are too relatively-illiterate to comprehend long messages.
Can you repeat that please, thanks

[DarkShadows_Legend]

lol@Kai

Bye PS.

[Brad]

overrated developer
arrogant about his powers
little to no talent at all


not much of a loss to me adieu

[Sildae]

overrated developer
Overrated only by himself and those who envy him.

not much of a loss to me adieu
No loss at all as he is going to be back next week.

[Projectshifter]

Overrated only by himself and those who envy him.


No loss at all as he is going to be back next week.
Thanks much to Sildae and Brad for their comments... And I won't be back next week, Stefan and Unix have made no attempts to even speak to me. I've tried to talk to Unix, also saw he was on this thread reading for 20 minutes, not even as much a reply to my message on ICQ... so it's time to do something else. I think I'm going to try to do something involving development of linx programs or work on a distro a bit, not sure. Also seeing as Brad is not a coder nor has he even viewed my coding, I don't think he's quite able to say such things =)
Linux: it's the future ;) Gentoo is leet, just got it up and running on my box today. 1 month a day, then PS is 18 and Graal-free woo-hoo!

[Stefan]

Good bye David and thanks for all the work you did for Graal. Sorry that we are not having the same opinion about some Graal stuff, I hope you are not thinking too bad about it, and might watch what happens here from time to hime, if you have time. I remember talking about family and friends, I hope everything will be good.

[Lance]

Seeya, PS.

[Mykel]

Jesus. Why the long goodbye? It is a game. Get on with real life.

[falco10291029]

Well I dont want you to leave, you're the only one who seems to ever be able to help me with scripting, and have helped me with that and other matters a swell. I do hope that you for some reason you change your mind, if not, then goodbye.....

[Brad]

I don't got to be a coder to know whats up in the graal world. You aren't a player. You don't know how the player thinks. I myself don't seperate myself from the game if I have a job. You never kept it real. You need to find a way to have a job and keep it real with your boys/girls. I can't do anything in the graal world. I am an idea master like Zurk, and I can manage crap pretty good. Thats my skills. PEOPLE SKILLS. You can only dream to have those.

[ApothiX]

I don't got to be a coder to know whats up in the graal world. You aren't a player. You don't know how the player thinks. I myself don't seperate myself from the game if I have a job. You never kept it real. You need to find a way to have a job and keep it real with your boys/girls. I can't do anything in the graal world. I am an idea master like Zurk, and I can manage crap pretty good. Thats my skills. PEOPLE SKILLS. You can only dream to have those.

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

[DeFord]

Later PS, we only met a few times, but I've been aware of your contributions to the Graal community for some time. This is a huge loss and I for one will be saddened by your absence. Good luck furthur down the long road we call life, may it lead you to wonderful opportunities.

[protagonist]

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

Not exactly on topic, but what about having people skills requires good grammar?

[Projectshifter]

Not exactly on topic, but what about having people skills requires good grammar?
I guess it's comparable as to working for a company answering phones and having bad grammar? When you work for a game that is purely online so it's in a textual format, to having proper spelling and grammar? It's all about people skills. I'd argue with Brad, but then i really do not care to, nor do I see a point. You can't please all the people all the time. Just knowing that there are a lot of people who have avidly supported me both publically and privately is enough to make these two years worth it :) Thanks to all of those people, you know who you are.

[Brad]

*cough* I think having good 'people skills' requires you to have good grammar, and be able to get along with people, two things that you are not showing very effectively in that post. Projectshifter is leaving, if you truely had good 'people skills', you would not ridicule him any further.

Just my two cents.

You don't need good grammar to have people skills jackass. I'm a grade A scumbag on this game. I don't feel like taking 20 minutes to check over what I write because its pointless and I could care less what people think about me. I ridicule who I want and let my personal opinion on someone be known to the world. Thats how I roll. I get along with people when I have to. As a wise man once said...

omgbradrox

[Projectshifter]

You don't need good grammar to have people skills jackass. I'm a grade A scumbag on this game. I don't feel like taking 20 minutes to check over what I write because its pointless and I could care less what people think about me. I ridicule who I want and let my personal opinion on someone be known to the world. Thats how I roll. I get along with people when I have to.
Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important ;)

[Alexander]

You'll be back

See you on aim =p

[Brad]

Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important ;)


I think "you" realized in this thread how little people actually care about you and what a joke you are to the forums. And you're overlooked because quite frankly your scripts are a joke and in my honest opinion wouldn't even make top 10 scripters on graal now. Anyways, have a lovely day darling.

[Shiftk03-]

Sad very well :P I think everyone's come to just realize how Brad "is", and you overlook him when he isn't doing something important ;)
So you base a person's worth off the amount of 'important' things they've done and that if they've done nothing then they don't exist? Pretentious and egotistical. Hopefully when you hop down that rabbit hole your big head gets stuck and they gotta call someone 'important' to come rescue you.

[syltburk]

I think "you" realized in this thread how little people actually care about you and what a joke you are to the forums. And you're overlooked because quite frankly your scripts are a joke and in my honest opinion wouldn't even make top 10 scripters on graal now. Anyways, have a lovely day darling.
brad u are right, u always ish right.. thats because you are cool.

PS sucks at scripting

[falco10291029]

I think "you" realized in this thread how little people actually care about you and what a joke you are to the forums. And you're overlooked because quite frankly your scripts are a joke and in my honest opinion wouldn't even make top 10 scripters on graal now. Anyways, have a lovely day darling.

I disagree with that wholeheartedly.

[Kaimetsu]

I disagree with that wholeheartedly

The scripting thing? It's probably true, dawg.

[falco10291029]

No the first part, the scripting thing i wouldn't know.

[Brad]

No the first part, the scripting thing i wouldn't know.


I'll give him 5 people who care that hes leaving.

But atleast you care FALCO2349234969696969SSJ!!!

[Hiro]

See ya dude. Go play some Tennis. ^^

[syltburk]

I'll give him 5 people who care that hes leaving.

But atleast you care FALCO2349234969696969SSJ!!!
for lyfe mate, he isnt strong enough to leave graal kthxbai.. :cool:

[Oldbie]

...My name is David...Now you know this! haha

Forum PM me guy...I need to speak with you

[Projectshifter]

So you base a person's worth off the amount of 'important' things they've done and that if they've done nothing then they don't exist? Pretentious and egotistical. Hopefully when you hop down that rabbit hole your big head gets stuck and they gotta call someone 'important' to come rescue you.
If you want to get serious, I think people who can make a difference and don't, therefore are less "worthful" than those who do more "important" things, so yes, somehow I do think that people who do more important things perhaps are worth a little more than those that do nothing, but that's simply me.

I love how you guys have turned such a simple thing as my saying good-bye into a hate and bash thread, it's so nice of you. It is for such reasons I won't be missing the forums or much of Graal. I'd also like to point out that there are only a few people who are qualified to judge my scripting skills, none of which has made any such slanderous comments. So please, if you have nothing nice to say, sometimes it's best just to stop talking :) I do not feel it necessary to comment anymore in this thread, if you wish to continue to bash me, that's your choice and I will not try to fight anything anymore., is it not simply enough for you that you will no longer have to deal with me? Guess you can't please some people.

[falco10291029]

Bah a few people can ruin it for everyone, i am sure that there are many people here who want you to stay PS, a lot more than that don't like you.

[Kaimetsu]

I'd also like to point out that there are only a few people who are qualified to judge my scripting skills

Haha, that must be nice for your ego. Round up the few people who think you're a good scripter and declare that they're the only ones allowed to judge you.

Let's see. In the past, I remember arguing with you about timeouts in the CNPC. You adamantly claimed that they shouldn't be used, using all kinds of ridiculous car analogies in attempts to make up for your lack of reasoning. After a while, Stefan arrived and proved you wrong. Am I not qualified to judge you based on this incident?
I've also seen you arguing for use of 'getplayer(#a)', which is possibly the most redundant and misguided piece of scripting possible.
And then, what was it? #v(strtofloat(#s(blah)))? I'm sure I could think of other examples if you'd like to see them.

Why am I not allowed to judge you based on the idiotic things you've said about GScript, or the fact that I've never seen you produce anything impressive?

[falco10291029]

Haha, that must be nice for your ego. Round up the few people who think you're a good scripter and declare that they're the only ones allowed to judge you.

Let's see. In the past, I remember arguing with you about timeouts in the CNPC. You adamantly claimed that they shouldn't be used, using all kinds of ridiculous car analogies in attempts to make up for your lack of reasoning. After a while, Stefan arrived and proved you wrong. Am I not qualified to judge you based on this incident?
I've also seen you arguing for use of 'getplayer(#a)', which is possibly the most redundant and misguided piece of scripting possible.
And then, what was it? #v(strtofloat(#s(blah)))? I'm sure I could think of other examples if you'd like to see them.

Why am I not allowed to judge you based on the idiotic things you've said about GScript, or the fact that I've never seen you produce anything impressive?

The following argument is more to disprove your bad reasoning then to defend PS:


You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes. I misused a ton of commands in the past yet that doesn't make me a bad scripter. Of course someone might come back with something like "should a criminal be forgiven for the past mistakle of shooting someone?" and to save time, I'll counteract that too with the fact that misusing a script command by accident doesn't hurt anyone.

[Shiftk03-]

If you want to get serious, I think people who can make a difference and don't, therefore are less "worthful" than those who do more "important" things, so yes, somehow I do think that people who do more important things perhaps are worth a little more than those that do nothing, but that's simply me.

I love how you guys have turned such a simple thing as my saying good-bye into a hate and bash thread, it's so nice of you. It is for such reasons I won't be missing the forums or much of Graal. I'd also like to point out that there are only a few people who are qualified to judge my scripting skills, none of which has made any such slanderous comments. So please, if you have nothing nice to say, sometimes it's best just to stop talking :) I do not feel it necessary to comment anymore in this thread, if you wish to continue to bash me, that's your choice and I will not try to fight anything anymore., is it not simply enough for you that you will no longer have to deal with me? Guess you can't please some people.
You've done nothing important for society therefore you are subject to dismemberment. Hell, you've done nothing important for Graal so I'm better then you.
Aww.. Using the logic of the brainless..

[Brad]

You've done nothing important for society therefore you are subject to dismemberment. Hell, you've done nothing important for Graal so I'm better then you.
Aww.. Using the logic of the brainless..
Ive done nothing at all but omgbradrox.

[Kaimetsu]

You can't judge someone's skills based on past mistakes

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.

[Brad]

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.


My god do I love you.

[falco10291029]

Why not? Some of the mistakes I listed are pretty recent, and they're all the result of one thing: a lack of understanding of how GScript works. The CNPC example wasn't just an honest mistake; he was repeatedly shown the correct path of reasoning but chose to cling to his delusions. The getplayer thing demonstrates that he didn't understand the concept of an active player, despite having scripted for the NPC Server in the past. Don't even ask me about the #v(strtofloat()) idea. I've no idea what he was thinking there.

The point is that somebody's failings certainly do carry implications about their skill. In ProjectShifter's case, they belie an inability to think as a programmer.


For recent mistkes, yes I would agree with you. However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant. Of course if the same mistake is made, then you're totally justified ;)

[Kaimetsu]

However if that same mistake isn't made in recent times with a similar circumstance, i would say then that a past mistake is totally irrelevant

If we can generalise to the mistake of 'not thinking about what he's doing' then yes, he still makes it today. The details are different, but the cause is the same.

But hell, I'm not even required to make that point. If it can be shown that he was an incompetent scripter/programmer/thinker two years ago, it is rational to think that he still exhibits those traits. After all, stupidity isn't something that can easily be cured. The greater burden of proof is on those who claim that he has changed.

[falco10291029]

Scripting/programming improves over time, a lot.

Thinking however...well if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

[Kaimetsu]

if you get somer good poitive examples of him thinking in a flawed way then i will agree.

Gladly: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46818

[falco10291029]

I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point, which page shows him being stupid (i read the first couple pages and saw his misinformation, but that is knowledge not thinking ability, and i have inbferred things the same way and then later admitted i was wrong and didnt do it again)

[Kaimetsu]

I'm not going to surf through 7 pages to find your point

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

[davidpsy]

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.


Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. :(.

[Lance]

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please? It would be appericiated. :(.

They start on page two.

[Kaimetsu]

Can you show us the specific quotes you're refering too in that thread, please?

Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.

[davidpsy]

Man, read it for yourself. His car analogy is quite comical, for instance, and pay attention to where he said he would admit his stupidity if Stefan proved him wrong.

Hmm, well personally I think you guys were making a mountain out of a molehill over weather or not timeout lags an npc server or not (not to say that it isn't important). As for Project Shifter, he was wrong apperently, he also made a bad analogy as you say. This happened a year ago though. I'm not going to judge Project Shifter based on a minor argument that he lost over a year ago.

[Kaimetsu]

As for Project Shifter, he was wrong apperently, he also made a bad analogy as you say. This happened a year ago though

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.

[davidpsy]

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.


People can change in a year. PS didn't seem that unintelligent even then, he was wrong, perhaps he was emotional, however, hes human. I must admit, that thread was rather funny, in that how you guys took such a small matter and turned it into what it was. I mean come on, you guys went a bit crazy.

I'm not convinced. I don't think Project Shifter is an unintelligent person. He was wrong though.

[Googi]

More than a year, but what does that matter? Unless he had a brain transplant, he's not going to have become much more intelligent since then.

He doesn't have to have become much more intelligent, just more intelligent enough not to do the same thing again.

[falco10291029]

That's not my problem. I've given you the information, I don't much care if you don't bother to use it.

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.


"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"
:rolleyes:

[davidpsy]

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.


"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"
:rolleyes:

Its not really as hard as you made it out to be to find out what in that thread Kaimetsu is refering to. However, as I requested, it would have been nice to see the specific quotes he was refering to rather than having to assume what quotes in that thread he was refering to.

[falco10291029]

Alright, I read through it, and found the car arguments and such things. From the looks of it, neither of you really were boasting intelligience in that thread IMO. It also shows you both leaning on a wall that you hope is there. Anyway it shows that PS doesn't always think the straightest, but it also shows that you don't either.


On a side note from the looks of that thread and the skilsl you both had back then at scripting I could be in the GST right now if I wanted ;)

[Unpredlctable]

Oh, no, let's all argue about things that no one will care about in a week...


Farewell, Projectshifter. :)

[Kaimetsu]

People can change in a year. PS didn't seem that unintelligent even then

Perhaps your ignorance of the subject prevents you from realising his idiocy. He displayed a complete and pigheaded refusal to think about what he was saying. He formed his delusions ahead of time and honestly thought that loaded analogies constituted "strong and solid" arguments. Even with multiple learned people explaining his folly, he utterly failed to learn a single thing. Not unintelligent?

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.

"It's in one of those 50,000 bottles, it isn't my problem if you don't want to look for it"

I really hope you aren't the one who finds the cure for cancer.

"It's in one of these 50,000 bottles, but I can't be bothered to look for it. You go look for me".

In short: Don't be stupid. Reading isn't so difficult, even for you.

From the looks of it, neither of you really were boasting intelligience in that thread IMO. It also shows you both leaning on a wall that you hope is there

What? It shows me (and others) steadfastly and patiently explaining the truth to PS. What wall? Where did I make a single mistake or error of judgement?

On a side note from the looks of that thread and the skilsl you both had back then at scripting I could be in the GST right now if I wanted ;)

Well, there's one for the quote list (http://ilfirin.org/graal/Falco).

[davidpsy]

Perhaps your ignorance of the subject prevents you from realising his idiocy. He displayed a complete and pigheaded refusal to think about what he was saying. He formed his delusions ahead of time and honestly thought that loaded analogies constituted "strong and solid" arguments. Even with multiple learned people explaining his folly, he utterly failed to learn a single thing. Not unintelligent?

I guess he wasn't acting very intelligent in that thread. Also you have to take into account that people in general are not very open to listening to others explanations when the way the information is provided is in an insultive manner. You guys were basically name calling each other in the mist's of all this. How can you expect Project Shifter to listen to you while you were putting him down? I am not going to judge PS based on something that happened over a year ago.

[Kaimetsu]

You guys were basically name calling each other in the mist's of all this. How can you expect Project Shifter to listen to you while you were putting him down?

Toward the latter half, maybe. But that's hardly an excuse. It's not that he was too proud to admit that he was wrong; he just simply couldn't see it. I do not think that emotional investment is good justification for employing such poor reasoning.

I am not going to judge PS based on something that happened over a year ago.

Fine by me. You can pursue whatever agenda you like, even if it does mean deceiving yourself.

[davidpsy]

Toward the latter half, maybe. But that's hardly an excuse. It's not that he was too proud to admit that he was wrong; he just simply couldn't see it. I do not think that emotional investment is good justification for employing such poor reasoning. Fine by me. You can pursue whatever agenda you like, even if it does mean deceiving yourself.

Alright, fine by me. You have your opinion, I have mine, lets leave it at that.

[Kaimetsu]

Hey, don't misquote me.

[Googi]

Alright, fine by me. You have your opinion, I have mine, lets leave it at that.

Are you trying to say that Projectshifter is a better scripter than Kaimetsu?

[davidpsy]

Are you trying to say that Projectshifter is a better scripter than Kaimetsu?

:confused: Uhh.. Huh?! :confused:

[Darlene159]

I just love how you guys turned a thread where PS was saying good-bye, into a thread in which to discuss his scripting. Not even discuss it, bash it.
I have had rounds with PS, but to call him un-intelligent? No
To say he hasn't learned anything? No
To think he has never helped anyone? No
These forums were not put here so you can pick people apart, degrade what they have done over the years for Graal.

This thread is closed.

[Lance]

These forums were not put here so you can pick people apart, degrade what they have done over the years for Graal.

This thread is closed.

I guess they are not for discussion, either.

May your future be a brighter one, PS.